Hello family! Welcome to 7/7/07! I've created this blog as a discussion board for continuing conversations that we may have had at Bible study. It could also be a great tool to start new discussions on topics that we couldn't squeeze into a typical friday night. If anyone has an idea on a topic that they want to be brought up just let me know! I hope that this will be a great way for us to continue to strengthen each other's faith inbetween sundays and fridays.
I look forword to seeing ya'll on sunday! (JP's preachn' woohoo!!)
Parker
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I am excited to know you guys thought of this idea. I hope that it is a God glorifying blogger which will bring glory to God through Jesus Christ and clarity to His called out ones. Grace to you all and peace from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. Hope you all undertood the lesson this friday, let me know if you have questions.
This is a terrific idea! Yeah!
This is pretty cool idea. Joanna - sorry I couldn't leave for lunch. My coworker, Grump Frownsalot, works out these ridiculous systems for break rotation that apparentely must be followed to a "T" to avoid an irreversible lunar eclipse. I'm working on him ;)
This is a serious question, though, as I do not know. What is Zionism (You mentioned you had ?'s for Darrien Bennet regarding his views too, David). Thanks.
Good question Michael. There is what referred to as Zionism which is a Jewish movement and Christian Zionism which is a movement found in the christian church.
Zionism:"tje national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel" (Definition of Zionism, 2004[internet], Jewish Virtual Library, a division of the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise,www.us-israel.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html>.
Christian Zionism: "Christian support for Zionism" ( Colin Chapman, Whose Promised Land?,
p.274)
In other words Jewish Zionists feel that God gave them a divine deed to the land and must do what ever is neccessary to regain it(though geographically speaking, they are,for the most part, uncertain and views within the camp of zionism differ)
Now the Christian Zionist, though supporting the same goal has a different motivation. They believe that although they interpret the Bible as in agreement with the above statement they feel that Christ can not come back until His "promise" to the Jews are fulfilled and then once the Jews go back to their land and this process is completed, that then Armageddon would begin and 2/3rds of the Jewish people will be killed and this will usher in the "coming of the Lord" (pretty horrible if you ask me and this view (in my opinion does not come close to what the bible really says about this topic).
For more information I recommend two great informative books discussing Christian Zionism: Christian Zionism: Road map armageddon? by Steven Sizer and Whose Land, Whose Promise by Gary M. Burge. (Both of which are available in my personal library if needed)
May God your research on this topic. I have strong convictions concerning this topic and have to come to them with out a lack of research....the truth can be found.
(sorry about the spelling errors, much to study this evening and not much time to do it...love you all!!
Wow, my grammer is was bad in that last post that you might come to the conclusion that I am a 2nd grader and being held back.lol. Sorry. Some corrections: the author of Christian Zionism is not spelled Steven Sizer but Stephen Sizer, with a ph not v, and also in one of my last paragraphs I was praying that God would bless your study of this topic. Ok back to the books.
Hi All,
Checking to see if this works
Dave C
here is an 'interesting' site regarding 'christian zionism'.
http://www.grovergunn.net/andrew/disp10.htm
another key phrase used in this article is 'dispensationalism'.
david, have you heard this term used in discussion about christian zionism before?
or is it just another word for 'christian zionism' ?
emlee = mother (Hebrew) lee (husband's last name). I hope you all like my name, I do.
Great article Parker!! I would recommend everyone who has an interest in understanding zionism along with its many flaws, to visit the site that Parker has provided us here(http://www.grovergunn.net/andrew/disp10.htm) It is well written, not too lengthy and will help equip a christian with knowledge about the issue which is helpful in coming to a conclusion on the matter.
Parker, for the most part all Dispensationalisrs are Chistian zionists but not all christian zionists are dispensationalists. This view is propagated by Dispenstionalist leaders (Hal Lindsey, Tim Lahaye, and John Hagee, to list a few) so much on television as "the Christian thing to believe" that most Christians who jump on this band wagon, really don't know why they believe in it (that included me, when I first became a Christian) and would not consider themselves dispensationalists. But in many cases even though Dispensationalism is not a synonym (different word with the same meaning) for Christian zionism,in my opinion it is often used as though it was.
Dispensationalism breaks down into many camps, with two main camps which are Classic dispensationalism and Progressive dispensationalism. Classic dispensationalism emerged in the nineteenth century by an Irish priest by the name of John Neson Darby and was later popularized in the Scofield Reference Bible, which defined dispenstionalism in terms of seven distinct dispensations or time periods with in the bible. Each dispensatioon was defined as "a period of time during which man is tested in respect to obendience to some specific revelation of the will of God" (p5, Scofield Reference Bible) Scofield distinguished seven dispensations including that of innocence, conscience, civil government, promise, law, grace, and the kingdom period. According to this camp of thought, we are now in the "age of grace".
I disagree with dispenstionalism and hold to a Reformed view of redemptive history which is called covenant theology (also discussed in the link given above) which seeks to present the untiy of redemption, which unity is seen in the continuity of the covenants that has given throughout history and how they are or have been fulfilled in the person and work of Jesus Christ.
One thing to remember is that Dispenstionalism teaches that the Jews and the Church are to different people groups and covenant theology ( and the Bible) does not teach that at all. The Scripture clearly teaches us that there is neither Jew nor Greek or any form of segration for that matter in the body of Christ. There is only one bride of Christ not two.
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